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How Fast Can A .223 Dispense 30 Rounds Of Ammunition?

Check it out here, in this video.

 

Nearly two months after the tragic shooting in Newtown, U.S. Senator Chris Murphy (D—Conn.) paid a visit to the Conn. State Police Gun Range in Simsbury for a demonstration on military-style assault rifles.

The [Litchfield County] Register Citizen reported Tuesday that Murphy is ready to take on the National Rifle Association:

U.S. Sen. Chris Murphy is trying to convince his former colleagues in the House and his new colleagues in the Senate that there won’t be any retribution from gun owners at the polls, if they do the right thing and vote in favor of common sense gun control legislation. During a conference call from Washington D.C. Monday, Murphy cited numerous polls that showed regular gun owners, including some who self-reported being members of the National Rifle Association, aren’t in lockstep with their lobby. The most often cited poll was the one conducted by Mayors Against Illegal Guns. That poll found 74 percent of NRA members support a requirement for a criminal background check on anyone purchasing a gun. Eighty-seven percent of non-NRA members support the same policy.

Read more in The Register Citizen.

 

Jim-Bob Masters February 19, 2013 at 04:26 PM
How fast can someone shoot arrows from a bow. How fast can someone drive a car into a crowd? May as well ban everything so only criminals and a currupt government can maintain control over otherwise law abiding citizens.
Richard Poulton February 19, 2013 at 04:53 PM
Just some more left leaning, politically correct writers of the so called news. Doing nothing more then adding to the scare tactics by the liberal left and politicians who have no clue as what to do but feel complelled to do something no matter how wrong it maybe. I bet if one was to ask either of these two authors if they can correctly define what makes an automatic weapon they could not. But let's wait and see, I just maybe wrong. And now Murphy is going to tale on the NRA. Good luck with that Chris. No President could - so what makes you think you can???????
Pem McNerney (Editor) February 19, 2013 at 05:48 PM
yes, it's true the headline writer (me) only has a little bit of experience writing about guns. I was referring to a .223 caliber rifle ... when I have had discussions about guns in the past, I have heard .223 caliber rifles referred to as .223's. Yes? No? @ Richard, "AR-15 .223 cal, again is a semi-automatic, and will fire as fast as you can pull the trigger and keep pulling until the clip empties." Yes, I think that's the point that Chris Murphy is making in the video clip. In other words, it takes about 30 seconds to get off 30 rounds. For those of us who don't have much experience with these specific guns, it's interesting to see them in action. For those of you who know these guns, is the state police officer in the video clip using an AR-15 .223 cal semi automatic? I could not tell. And what is that gun that folds up like that, also shown in the clip?
Matt February 19, 2013 at 06:01 PM
Pem, the problem is this is being portrayed as something abnormal, bad, or unnecessary, or something specific to a "military looking rifle". This is how basically **every gun** that isn't a single shot slide bolt or muzzle loading antique works. Anyone that isn't handicapped can pull the trigger of any gun once per second and fire off X rounds in X seconds. I can do that with an AR15, I can do that with a 9mm handgun, I can do that with a water pistol or paintball gun. I can do that with the space bar on my keyboard. People who don't know anything about guns are misled by stories like this because it leads them to believe your 223 (AR15, "assault weapon", whatever name you want to give it) does this and that is why it is different and bad compared to other weapons. If [insert any semi-auto gun name here] has a capacity of X rounds, it will fire those rounds in whatever amount of time it takes the shooter to pull the trigger X number of times. Switching out a magazine can take anywhere from 1 to 5 seconds depending on skill. The magazine size debate is another story, but simply based on time, it doesn't accomplish much of anything to legislate that either.
Matt February 19, 2013 at 06:07 PM
.223 is the caliber of the bullet that many weapons including the AR15 use. It isn't the name of the weapon or a type of weapon. But people sometimes use the caliber as a short/slang for the weapon or class of weapon. Saying a 223 does this that or the other thing is not accurate. The 223 is the size of the bullet and has nothing to do with the weapon firing it. The headline isn't accurate, as you're trying to talk about the rate at which a person can fire a semi-automatic gun. There are 223 caliber rifles that are single shot bolt action rifles that have to be reloaded by hand after every shot.
Richard Poulton February 19, 2013 at 06:32 PM
Thats for the reply Pem. I will try to answer soome of your questions. But before, I suggest to contact a licenced gun range and see if they, one have the .223 Bushmaster,. and two, will they allow you to come down and fire it. Yes, slang is used to identify what is being shot, such as "I'm using a 9", meaning a 9MM hand gun. So on and so forth. I looked at the video and noticed a few points you may have missed. One, look at the trigger finger, real good, see it twitching, he is firing as fast as he can, one trigger pull, one round. But if you are real quick, it can sound like a machine gun. Secondly, the trooper is using the Bushmaster. You will notice a few things. One, no folding rear stock. Two, no gas surpressor. Three no attachment for a bayonet. Three things required besides being fully automatic by design that classifies one as an assault rifle. You need 2 out of the 4 to get such classification. Go out and fire one or both. You just may enjoy yourself.
Pem McNerney (Editor) February 19, 2013 at 07:29 PM
Sounds like fun! My experience is limited mainly to shotguns/sporting clays type activity and does not include a Bushmaster, although I did shoot a semi-automatic something or other many, many years ago, some sort of pistol at the indoor shooting range in Branford. I'm sure I would like it. I'm guessing I still might lean in favor of more restrictions on magazines and the availability of such guns. My point of view comes from my sense that I don't need one for protection, I would only get a gun if I could invest the time to learn how to use it safely and I don't think there is any way to use it safely in a heavily populated neighborhood like mine, I don't think my neighbors need one for protection [if we call the police, they get here quickly and they are often just randomly roaming around for whatever reason], and there are a lot of other ways to have fun other than shooting a gun. But that's just me. I welcome a debate on it. The question for me is how to reduce the availability of weapons and ammunition to people who will use them to do harm, and I know there is no one easy answer.
Jim-Bob Masters February 19, 2013 at 08:15 PM
It is called a Magazine not a clip.
Mike Atkins February 19, 2013 at 08:35 PM
anyone wonder what the face of child looks like after being shot with a .223 caliber weapon? So sick of the gun wackos and NRA wanna bees.
Richard Poulton February 19, 2013 at 08:42 PM
Pem, the confines of your home is where your concern should be not how heavly populated your neighborhood is. The danger is within not outside. If an intruder makes entry, and you are confronted, and in fear for your safety and that of your family, the police could be outside your home and you can still be harmed. Remember Cheshire? Recall that mother & child last month in such a situation, armed only with a 6 shot revolver. Cornered in the attic, fired all rounds into the burglar, and he still managed to flee in her car. But he could had still continued and harmed both, for he didn't go down. And that is the point in self protection, to be put down and no longer be able to do harm. Ask any trained PO, you fire center mass, 2 round bursts, and keep doing so until danger is over. many have been killed by wounded bad guys. Go get properly trained, buy a comfortable fitting semi-automatic hand gun. By the way, read up on CT's "Castle Doctrine". It will make you feel a little better.
Matt February 19, 2013 at 08:46 PM
Mike, it would be great if you could discuss this matter on-topic and without insulting everyone with name calling that doesn't personally agree with you. This is a civil discussion. Your name calling and blanket insults of everyone is not welcome. And it is a violation of the patch terms of service. Please stay on topic and drop the insults. To your point on what a child looks like after being shot with a 223, about the same as one shot with any other caliber bullet from any other kind of gun. Ironically, a common 44 caliber handgun (for example), which is not one of the "scary looking guns" that isn't an "assault weapon" and not part of any ban, would do WAY more damage and be far uglier. There are no bullets that fire from any gun grow arms and hug their target.
Richard Poulton February 19, 2013 at 08:46 PM
I wonder Mike, do you know what that would look like? Have you witnessed such damage the body takes with any round over a .38. I have, far too many times. Makes no difference on age. Yes, Newtown was a bad thing. But it was not caused by anyone as you put it, "gun wackos and NRA wanna bees".
Richard Poulton February 19, 2013 at 09:02 PM
FYI. In a somewhat related story, just reported in the news, in Orange County, CA, a car highjacking happened, bad guy shot and killed the driver, fled, and in a short time shot and killed one more and wouned three others, then killed himself. Which I thank for doing by the way. Now, what if just one of those people, minding there own business, was in possession of a side arm and just may have been able to defend themselves. Just saying.
Mike Atkins February 19, 2013 at 10:37 PM
Chris Kyle had a gun? What happened to him? The cops that Donder killed in CA had guns what happened to them?
Mike Atkins February 19, 2013 at 10:39 PM
pretty much every police officer killed in the line of duty have firearms.
Richard Poulton February 20, 2013 at 01:13 AM
Called being ambushed. Most PO's are killed while approaching a MV after a routine M/V stop or while approaching a domestic dispute. Thats just part of the danger to the job that I am sure you don't have to worry about.
Matt February 20, 2013 at 03:32 AM
Mike, once again your uncalled for personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topic are unneccessary and unwelcomed. The rest of us are having a civil discussion, both sides of the debate. Carrying on about the penis size of those who you disagree with is inappropriate, a violation of the patch ToS, and is certainly not making you or your cause look more credible. Hopefully Patch's editors continue to delete your insulting posts. And hopefully you can one day have a discussion without resorting to personal insults.
Thomas Paine February 20, 2013 at 04:05 AM
For those for or against the gun control proposal from CAGV, I posted this on one of the other Patch sites: http://westport.patch.com/blog_posts/cagvmarch-for-change-legislative-proposal-a-critical-review-64ce01d9
Thomas Paine February 20, 2013 at 04:12 AM
Pem - Two things: 1) Based on that video, the CSP did the Senator a disservice by not showing him how quickly a magazine can be changed, 1 to 5 seconds, even under stress. That is one of the irrelevancies of calls for a magazine capacity limit, there is little difference when a rampage killer is facing unarmed people. 2) The .223 round originally started as a hunting round for varmint hunters shooting prairie dogs, coyote, etc. - small, thin skinned animals. Contrary to characterizations of the 223 being a "high powered" round, many state actually prohibit hunting deer-sized game with such small a round. Our troops have been complaining about the lack of power of the 223 (or 5.56 NATO equivalent) since it was first deployed in the Vietnam era. I know this is a difference without a distinction in context to Newtown but there is too much misinformation out there. Like VP Biden suggesting again that a double-barreled shotgun is an adequate home defense firearm. Oy!
Jim-Bob Masters February 20, 2013 at 08:41 AM
@Mike Atkins. Looks like he wants to take away guns from law enforcement officers too as he stated they didn't protect some police officers who had them in the past. Hope Mike plans on being everywhere protecting us all 24/7.
Jim-Bob Masters February 20, 2013 at 08:51 AM
Or maybe @Mike Atkins is a violent criminal himself looking for career longevity by making it less likely that he'd ever have to encounter anyone who could stop him.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner February 20, 2013 at 11:00 AM
So Mike, let's get a couple of things straight so I can understand how your mind works. Putting aside the ad hominem attacks on gun owners and NRA members, please explain to my your line about Mrs. Lanza? I carry no water for her because she was clearly flagrant in her storage of firearms, but why do you want to lock up her gun retailer? She bout those guns over a 30 month period and all indications is far is she went through all the normal background checks in the process. In case you don't know it, CT has one of the better state-level systems in the US. So why hit that dealer unless we learn he broke some law? Please show me the psychologists or other medical professional who have opined on Mrs. Lanza's gun needs. Your comments are based on media reports of people who casually knew this family. The idea that she was a "survivalist" was written in a single UK- based newspaper and has not been substantiated in any way. It could be true but you are making some big assumptions on hearsay. And why no blame for the father? The guys dumps his wife and teenage son, marries a younger women from their town and then moves 40 miles away so he can be closer to his office. Mr. Lanza makes a million a year at GE and does not think he should live closer to his vulnerable teenage boy during these important development years? Why has the Media blacked out on e father and brother? A suspicios mind like yours should be curious.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner February 20, 2013 at 11:07 AM
Lastly Mike, what is your solution for suicides which make up 55-60% of gun deaths in the US? What is your solution for the slow drip of death in our inner cities taking the lives of one or two your black or Latino males each week? What is your solution to the fact that 75%+ of gun crime, injury and death involves illegal handguns in illegal hands? How do you address that Armalite Rifles are rarely used in any shootings and even more rarely used in rampage killings? Lastly, what did you do when you buddy's head exploded 10 feet away in SE Asia? Did you nail the guy who did that? Did you use a M16 in self defense of your self? How old are you 60+? Seems like you speak much younger than a Nam-era vet would. And did you see the inside of the Sandy Hook School? Are you a first responder in Newtown? Again, you don't speak like one. Just wondering.
Richard Poulton February 20, 2013 at 01:55 PM
To Concerned Parent, you asked "Mike" a question about Viet Nam. I don't think he did serve there, and most likely at anytime. FYI, mine was the somewhat heavy but reliable M-14, which, and to Mike, fired the NATO round, so much bigger then the .223. M-16's came out after I departed that lovely country, at least to my unit anyway.
Richard Poulton February 20, 2013 at 02:01 PM
Would re-post this article to the East Haven Patch. Great piece, everyone should read it.
Fred February 20, 2013 at 04:36 PM
.223 is a caliber, i.e., the diameter of the bullet, not a type of firearm. Although I am no expert, I strongly suspect that some .223 caliber firearms have different rates of fire than other .223 caliber firearms. The question is like asking the speed of a 4-door sedan -- it varies depending upon the make, model, horsepower, etc. If you wish to limit your inquiry to a specific make and model, information, including the rate of fire is typically available on the manufacturer's website.
Fred February 20, 2013 at 04:42 PM
@Pem At least some of your neighbors apparently disagree with you regarding their need for a firearm for protection. I have several friends who live on or off Neck Road with whom I regularly shoot
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner February 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Mike - Like me asking "What the cranium of a late-stage aborted fetus looks like after it has been penetrated by a sharpened tube and had its brain sucked out by mechanical vacuum to reduce its diameter so the entire fetus could be yanked out of the mother who has not gone through proper labor? So sick of those who support late-term abortion "rights" which is not a right at all." Mike, I am conflicted on abortion but 55MILLION aborted fetuses since the Roe decision does not seem to bother many who call for gun control. Strange that no? Pro-choice advocates argue that women have an absolute but Constitutionally unarticulated "women's reproductive right" which has been conjured up somehow. That no one and no government has the ability to tell them what to do with their bodies, etc. Yet, most of these same people are perfectly willing to tell me and every gun owner that they and their preferred government have the ability to deny me my fully and completely articulated Constitutional right to bear arms. Since you are so passionate Mike, how about you reconcile that for us all? Explain why a woman can be told what to do with her body but you seem perfectly willing to tell me what I can do with my black rifles. Particularly so when abortion is SO commonplace and will, every time, stop a heart. Yet 8+ million Armalite Rifles manage to go every day without firing a shot in anger, never mind killing someone? The hypocrisy of the Left is stunning.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner February 23, 2013 at 12:22 PM
Kyle was shot while the shooter was handling the gun. Kyle was not on "alert" that he was in a danger situation. Your analogy shows disingenuousness at best. Dorner (not "Dnonder").
Thomas Paine February 23, 2013 at 12:34 PM
Richard - As requested, I have just submitted that post to East Haven Patch where it is awaiting editor review. It will be up to the editor to post it on the site. Wilton Patch posts my items very quickly but East Haven may go through a review process. Look for it later on Saturday.

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